Well, my amazing Geeks, it’s slowly getting to THAT time: Star Wars time!! Yes, we are still many months away, but as we all know, the months slip by us and soon Star Wars VIII http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/ will be upon us.
So many questions and such few answers!! What happened to Han Solo? What will happen to Princess Leia now that Carrie has passed? What about Rey and Finn? Who are they? Who is Rey’s parents? What about Finn? What is his past?
But most important, who is Supreme Leader Snoke?
This one character has the SW internet world still buzzing with questions and some answers even after two years. Here’s an extended cut of Kylo and Snoke’s conversation that wasn’t in the movie:
So let’s start with what we DO know.
- Snoke is NOT a sith. J.J. Abrams made it perfectly clear at 2015 San Diego Comic Con that he wanted to avoid the Expanded Universe, deemed not-cannon by mean old Disney, meaning none of it existed, only the movies’ history existed. (BOOO!) The prequels were also out. He wanted to return to Star Wars roots and he only used episodes 4,5, and 6 as ‘cannon’ meaning real. https://moviepilot.com/posts/3719178 So anyone who is a Sith is out the door. Snoke is just a grumpy old man. Period. But who is he???
- In the Force Awakens novel, Leia tells Han that Snoke has been watching Kylo from the beginning of his life. She tried to shield him, but Snoke grabbed him anyway. Both Leia and Han knew of Snoke and knew he was going after Ben.
- According to Andy Serkis who plays Snoke in the movie, he said:
“Supreme Leader Snoke is quite an enigmatic character and strangely vulnerable at the same time as being quite powerful. Obviously he has a huge agenda. He has suffered a lot of damage. As I said, there is a strange vulnerability to him, which belies his true agenda.”
Thanks to Twitter, I’ve talked to several actors who portrayed characters on TV and movies and they know their characters more than anyone. So I trust Serkis’ words.
- Per the youtube clip above, Snoke knows Luke Skywalker and fears him. So, it seems that Snoke and Luke have a history. So could Snoke have been one of Luke’s past enemies? Snoke FEARS the Jedi more than anyone else, which tells me he was around in Qui-Gon’s day and maybe even had a hand in Order 66? Snoke has seen Jedi power and it sends him into a panic. Fear covers Snoke’s face and he wants to rid his Empire of them just as Sidious did years ago.
- Snoke is trying to train Kylo in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force despite not being a Sith. So he KNOWS of the force, but according to Abrams, he’s not a Sith. That’s like me trying to train someone to be a doctor or a nurse, but I’m not a doctor or a nurse. Difficult, but possible. So this tells us that Snoke was with Sidious when he trained Anakin and perhaps as far back as Maul, Sidious’ first apprentice.
- Snoke saw the Empire rise and fall which is about maybe 50ish years, maybe more, so he must be someone within Amadela’s reign. He obviously saw Anakin/Vader rise to power as he makes mention of the Emperor and Vader.
- Snoke KNOWS what happened on the second Death Star between Luke and Vader. Now only someone who was there would have seen Luke turning his father back to the Light Force and it disgusted him. He understands how easy it is for one to switch from bad to good and good to bad. Now remember, Abrams only used the 4,5,6th movies to create Snoke.
- Snoke said ‘WE know the droid is aboard the Falcon.’ There are others involved perhaps those left behind when the Empire fell.
- Snoke is force sensitive. He told Kylo that he senses the force is awaken. We’ve seen several force sensitive characters in the SW worlds and although Snoke isn’t a true Sith, he has had Sith training at one time, which he passed onto Kylo. Kylo said it was Snoke’s teachers who made Kylo strong. So Snoke had Sith teachers at one time aka Sidious.
- In the clip, Snoke talks about the droid and says “Once again, it is in the hands of your father, Han Solo.” That tells me Snoke was on the first Death Star as the droid he speaks of is of course, R2-D2, the droid which held the plans for the Death Star I. Obviously, he has survived both Death Star explosions, which might explain why he is so beaten up.
- He obviously had something to do with engineering the other two Death Stars as this weapon is like them and Snoke designed them.
So now we can narrow it down to being someone who knew Sidious and Vader and understood the Dark Side, understood how to build the Death Stars, witnessed Vader’s change to the Light Side of the force, is fearful of the Jedi and knows of Luke’s great powers. Since Abrams only used movies 4,5, and 6, we know Snoke is from this period. That really narrows down the players.
Here’s a listing of possibilities:
From the website Fandom.com http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/who-is-supreme-leader-snoke?li_source=LI&li_medium=wikia-rail:
- Remember in Rogue One, there was a servant who told Lord Vader that Director Krennic was there to see him. Krennic whines and complains, “boo hoo, those people are being mean to me”, in which Vader responds, “get over it, Snowflake!” and force-chokes the director.
Some are claiming that the servant is indeed Snoke aka Vanee who helped Lord Vader with his breathing apparatus. Per Star Wars Wiki, Vanee was under Palpatine’s reign during the Galactic Empire, was on Death Star II before it exploded and was not a Sith. Yet he had contact with the Dark Side daily. He must have been a force sensitive as Papatine had Vanee in his inner circle.
Vanee fits a lot of the above criteria and is NOT a Sith, so we’ll leave him on the list.
- Admiral Gallius Rex. Rex was one of Palpatine’s ‘inner circle’ who, in the book Life Debt wanted to create a ‘better’ Empire, a kind of cult-like Rule. Per Star Wars Wiki:
Satisfied with Sloane’s performance on Akiva, Rax arranged for her promotion to Grand Admiral. He continued to rule from behind the scenes while Grand Admiral Sloane served as the public face of the Empire. With the Empire facing defeat, Rax engineered an attack on the New Republic leadership on Chandrila using liberated prisoners from Ashmead’s Lock, who had been fitted with inorganic biochips. When Sloane disagreed with Rax’s tactics, Rax ordered his agent Adea Rite to assassinate her. However, Sloane escaped and embarked on a campaign to stop him whlie Rax became Emperor in effect, he rejected the title and—in keeping with his intention to rule the Empire as the power behind the throne—proclaimed himself Counselor to the Empire in Sloane’s absence before repositioning the Ravager and most, if not all, remainder of the Imperial Navy to Jakku, setting the stage for the forthcoming Battle of Jakku. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gallius_Rax
Not a Sith, was with Palpatine through his reign, Understood the making of a Death Star, longed to make a new Empire. Yeap he’s on the list too.
- Anyone who was or is a Sith or Jedi is out the door. Sorry, Jedi and Sith, We’ll call you. 🙂
- Brandon Rhea of Fandom has a very interesting theory that I think could work. I quote him:
The recent novel Aftermath, the first in a trilogy by Chuck Wendig, tells the story of what happened in the months after Star Wars: Return of the Jedi. During the story, the remaining Imperial fleet commanders gather on Akiva to discuss how the Empire should handle its defeat at Endor and the rise of the New Republic. One of the new characters introduced is Yupe Tashu, who served as an adviser to Emperor Palpatine. He was a dark side historian, though he could not use the Force himself, and believed strongly in the powers of the Force. He wanted to follow the teachings of the Emperor, and he recognized that the Sith had found strength in hiding in the shadows and then striking when the enemy least expected them to. He also said this:
“No Sith remain. And the lone Jedi that exists—the son of Anakin Skywalker—possesses an untouchable soul. At least for now. We must instead move toward the dark side. Palpatine felt that the universe beyond the edges of our maps was where his power came from. Over the many years he, with our aid, sent men and women beyond known space. They built labs and communication stations on distant moons, asteroids, out there in the wilds. We must follow them. Retreat from the galaxy. Go out beyond the veil of stars. We must seek the source of the side like a man looking for a wellspring of water.”
Aftermath is part of the Journey to The Force Awakens series, so it seems unlikely that the story would introduce a detail like that only for it to never pay off. My guess is that Supreme Leader Snoke is from beyond the galaxy, perhaps from or influenced by the source of the dark side itself, and has been watching the galaxy for a long time. That would fit with Serkis saying that Snoke is a new character, and it would mean that the seeds for Snoke’s true nature have already been planted in the post-Return of the Jedi storyline. http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/who-is-supreme-leader-snoke?li_source=LI&li_medium=wikia-rail
So there ya have it, our candidates for the Snoke award. But knowing Disney, it will be a plumber from New Jersey who is Snoke and then we all scratch our heads and say, “Whhhatt?”